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Reading the About page <http://occ-data.org/about/>: > To better understand our role, it is helpful to divide projects in these > areas into three groups: > Individual researchers and small projects typically do not need much > computing infrastructure and can either operate their own or use a public > cloud service provider such as Amazon. > The OCC is designed to serve medium to large size research projects by > managing and operating a cloud computing infrastructure that can be shared > across these projects. > Very large research projects, such as the LHC, the LSST, and the OOI, > typically develop their own dedicated computing infrastructure. It sounds like OCC is building their own cloud infrastructure instead of leveraging commercial cloud providers. Also, the membership benefits <http://occ-data.org/images/occ-fees-2016.pdf> do not include actual usage of the infrastructure and is more about participating in a standardization effort. I’m interested in models of "community-managed” cloud storage services where the management involves cost and usage (as opposed to operating the hardware infrastructure). But I couldn’t find anything on the OCC web site that addresses that. Or do I miss something? Carlos > On Feb 11, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Mohan Ramamurthy <mohan@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On 2/11/16 3:44 PM, Scott Collis wrote: >> So is this along the same lines as AWS S3? >> > Yes. >> Does it still rely on a download and compute framework? >> >> > At the moment, this is true but we are working to working to develop > data-proximate, server-side processing/analysis capabilities by moving our > wares (and client tools) to the cloud, and through the development and > implementation of DAP4 protocol that supports asynchronous computing > capabilities. > > Mohan >>> Mohan Ramamurthy <mailto:mohan@xxxxxxxx> February 11, 2016 at 4:42 PM >>> Carlos, >>> >>> Unidata is working with Open Commons Consortium ( >>> <http://occ-data.org/>http://occ-data.org/ <http://occ-data.org/>), which >>> provides "community-managed" cloud storage and computing services. At the >>> moment, Unidata's collaboration with OCC is focused on the NOAA Big Data >>> project, but we expect that to grow beyond the scope of that project. >>> >>> Mohan >>> >>> On 2/11/16 2:34 PM, Carlos Maltzahn wrote: >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> bww-users mailing list >>> bww-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bww-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> For list information, to unsubscribe, or change your membership options, >>> visit: http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/mailing_lists/ >>> <http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/mailing_lists/> >>> Carlos Maltzahn <mailto:carlosm@xxxxxxxx> February 11, 2016 at 4:34 PM >>> All, >>> >>> This is a request for examples of community-managed cloud storage services >>> where >>> >>> “community-managed” means that the cost of the cloud storage service as >>> well as its usage is managed by an institution serving a (scientific >>> community), including very large communities such as earth sciences or >>> smaller ones such as numerical weather prediction, and >>> “cloud storage services” are commercial, highly available “pay-as-you-go” >>> services that provide safe and economic storage of large amounts of data >>> and allow global sharing of that data controlled by the party who pays, but >>> disappear as soon as payment for these services stop. >>> >>> Today commercial cloud storage services are readily available and >>> successfully hide the many technical challenges of highly available >>> long-term storage at very attractive cost. Cloud storage also provides an >>> excellent platform for naming and sharing large (and small) datasets which >>> is essential for collaboration and reproducibility in data-intensive >>> scientific disciplines. Yet science communities are slow to adopt cloud >>> storage. There are probably many reasons for that but one that I repeatedly >>> came across: the data stored in cloud storage disappears when funding for >>> the service runs out. >>> >>> If the availability of a particular data set depends on a single community >>> member's availability of funding, the likelihood of loosing data can be >>> quite high and makes cloud storage too brittle for a reliable medium for >>> scientific data. A better approach might be to make the availability of all >>> data sets depend on the availability of funding within an entire community. >>> Such an arrangement would benefit that community by facilitating data >>> sharing, collaboration, and maintaining greater reproducibility of >>> scientific results. >>> >>> But community-funded cloud storage has all the management challenges of a >>> commons. For example, how should the storage space be governed? How much >>> money should the community spend on cloud storage? How is the money raised >>> among the members of the community? How do communities prevent The Tragedy >>> of the Commons <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons>? >>> >>> Please let me know of any examples you are aware of. Who is working on >>> this? Do examples exist with somewhat different definitions of >>> "community-managed" or "cloud storage services”? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Carlos >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Carlos Maltzahn >>> Adjunct Professor >>> Computer Science Department >>> University of California, Santa Cruz >>> <http://users.soe.ucsc.edu/%7Ecarlosm/>http://users.soe.ucsc.edu/~carlosm/ >>> <http://users.soe.ucsc.edu/~carlosm/> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> bww-users mailing list >>> bww-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bww-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> For list information, to unsubscribe, or change your membership options, >>> visit: http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/mailing_lists/ >>> <http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/mailing_lists/> >> > > _______________________________________________ > bww-users mailing list > bww-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bww-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > For list information, to unsubscribe, or change your membership options, > visit: http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/mailing_lists/ > <http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/mailing_lists/>
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