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Hi all, Please see this e-mail chain below. Basically, there are grids now missing from the RAP130 NGRID NOAAport feed (post Tuesday's switch). They are the same grids missing that were changed in the TIN message. Hopefully there is someone on this list that can solve the problem. Best, vg __________________________ Vittorio (Victor) A. Gensini, Ph.D. Associate Professor, Meteorology College of DuPage e: gensiniv@xxxxxxx | p: (630)-942-3496 http://weather.cod.edu/~vgensini From: Carissa Klemmer - NOAA Federal <carissa.l.klemmer@xxxxxxxx<mailto:carissa.l.klemmer@xxxxxxxx>> Date: Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:41 PM To: Victor Gensini <gensiniv@xxxxxxx<mailto:gensiniv@xxxxxxx>> Cc: Geoffrey Manikin - NOAA Federal <geoffrey.manikin@xxxxxxxx<mailto:geoffrey.manikin@xxxxxxxx>>, "curtis.alexander@xxxxxxxx<mailto:curtis.alexander@xxxxxxxx>" <curtis.alexander@xxxxxxxx<mailto:curtis.alexander@xxxxxxxx>>, Corey Guastini - NOAA Affiliate <corey.guastini@xxxxxxxx<mailto:corey.guastini@xxxxxxxx>>, "ncep.list.pmb-dataflow@xxxxxxxx<mailto:ncep.list.pmb-dataflow@xxxxxxxx>" <ncep.list.pmb-dataflow@xxxxxxxx<mailto:ncep.list.pmb-dataflow@xxxxxxxx>> Subject: Re: Grids missing from the RAP 130 grid Sorry I didn't email yesterday. I called the NCF and asked their tech team to check the logs and ensure these new WMO headers were being up linked to noaaport. I got confirmation that they see the 86 headers and were sent to noaaport. I'm a little stuck now. At this point I would probably suggest going to unidata ldm forum and ask if anyone else is seeing them. Get some smart ldm people involved. Do you have a POC for them? Carissa Touched, not typed On Aug 25, 2016, at 14:08, Gensini, Vittorio <gensiniv@xxxxxxx<mailto:gensiniv@xxxxxxx>> wrote: Hi Geoff, Any update on the cause of this? Best, __ Dr. Vittorio (Victor) A. Gensini Associate Professor Meteorology College of DuPage President, Chicago Chapter of the American Meteorological Society 425 Fawell Blvd. Glen Ellyn, IL 60137 Office: Berg Instructional Center (BIC) 3503 ph: +1 (630) 942-3496 http://weather.cod.edu/~vgensini ________________________________ From: Geoffrey Manikin - NOAA Federal <geoffrey.manikin@xxxxxxxx<mailto:geoffrey.manikin@xxxxxxxx>> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 3:41 PM To: Gensini, Vittorio Cc: curtis.alexander@xxxxxxxx<mailto:curtis.alexander@xxxxxxxx>; carissa.l.klemmer@xxxxxxxx<mailto:carissa.l.klemmer@xxxxxxxx>; Corey Guastini - NOAA Affiliate Subject: Re: Grids missing from the RAP 130 grid Carissa- The 4 files missing in the 13 km RAP AWIPS files are the 4 that we mentioned in the RAP13 AWIPS TIN for which the headers were changing. We're correctly processing all of them, so does this mean that some group downstream was not prepared for this change?? -Geoff On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Gensini, Vittorio <gensiniv@xxxxxxx<mailto:gensiniv@xxxxxxx>> wrote: Hi Geoff, Found them, I was wrong about CIN. All four are the changes mentioned in the TIN message. I ran a quick DIF checker and found removal of: CIN255-0 mb above ground CAPE255-0 mb above ground HLCY1000-0 m above ground HLCY3000-0 m above ground Probably the ones you were expecting. Let us know if/when they are added back to the NOAAport stream. Best, __ Dr. Vittorio (Victor) A. Gensini Associate Professor Meteorology College of DuPage President, Chicago Chapter of the American Meteorological Society 425 Fawell Blvd. Glen Ellyn, IL 60137 Office: Berg Instructional Center (BIC) 3503 ph: +1 (630) 942-3496<tel:%2B1%20%28630%29%20942-3496> http://weather.cod.edu/~vgensini ________________________________ From: Geoffrey Manikin - NOAA Federal <geoffrey.manikin@xxxxxxxx<mailto:geoffrey.manikin@xxxxxxxx>> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 3:12 PM To: Gensini, Vittorio Subject: Re: Grids missing from the RAP 130 grid Victor- Knowing the exact dropouts would probably be a good thing. Thanks for offering. -Geoff On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Gensini, Vittorio <gensiniv@xxxxxxx<mailto:gensiniv@xxxxxxx>> wrote: Thanks for your speedy response Geoff! I can confirm that the changed entries in your document: "The headers for helicity are changed from ‘LZD*98 KWBG’ to ‘LZD*86 KWBG’ The headers for 0255 mb cape is changed from ‘LWD*98 KWBG’ to ‘LZD*86 KWBG’" Are not coming in after using LDM 'notifyme.' Strangely, 0-255mb CIN is working just fine. I can compare pre and post upgrade to get you the exact dropouts if needed. Best, __ Dr. Vittorio (Victor) A. Gensini Associate Professor Meteorology College of DuPage President, Chicago Chapter of the American Meteorological Society 425 Fawell Blvd. Glen Ellyn, IL 60137 Office: Berg Instructional Center (BIC) 3503 ph: +1 (630) 942-3496<tel:%2B1%20%28630%29%20942-3496> http://weather.cod.edu/~vgensini ________________________________ From: Geoffrey Manikin - NOAA Federal <geoffrey.manikin@xxxxxxxx<mailto:geoffrey.manikin@xxxxxxxx>> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 3:01 PM To: Gensini, Vittorio Cc: curtis.alexander@xxxxxxxx<mailto:curtis.alexander@xxxxxxxx>; ncep.list.pmb-dataflow@xxxxxxxx<mailto:ncep.list.pmb-dataflow@xxxxxxxx>; Corey Guastini - NOAA Affiliate Subject: Re: Grids missing from the RAP 130 grid hi Victor- The issues must be downstream of us, as the RAP 130 grids that we're sending to NOAAPORT have 292 records now, and the cycles before the upgrade had 292 as well. Per that document, we changed the headers for 4 parameters, so it sounds like those 4 are falling on the floor somewhere down the line. I can't yet account for the other two. -Geoff On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Gensini, Vittorio <gensiniv@xxxxxxx<mailto:gensiniv@xxxxxxx>> wrote: Hi Geoff, We were matching the grids with anything from (L.D...), as you say in your document here: http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/changes/docs/AWIPS_RAPv3_130.pdf We have also used: NGRID grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/(..)(..)(....)(....)F(...) FILE /home/data/models/rap/\2\3\4F\5.rap To match *anything* from the RAP NGRID feed. Running wgrib2 on the files since 12Z today shows that there were 292 grids before the upgrade and 286 after (we eliminate the aviation flight level products). I haven't sorted through exactly which have been dropped, but at least two of them are 0-1 and 0-3 SRH. Best, __ Dr. Vittorio (Victor) A. Gensini Associate Professor Meteorology College of DuPage President, Chicago Chapter of the American Meteorological Society 425 Fawell Blvd. Glen Ellyn, IL 60137 Office: Berg Instructional Center (BIC) 3503 ph: +1 (630) 942-3496<tel:%2B1%20%28630%29%20942-3496> http://weather.cod.edu/~vgensini ________________________________ From: Geoffrey Manikin - NOAA Federal <geoffrey.manikin@xxxxxxxx<mailto:geoffrey.manikin@xxxxxxxx>> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 2:25 PM To: Gensini, Vittorio Cc: curtis.alexander@xxxxxxxx<mailto:curtis.alexander@xxxxxxxx>; ncep.list.pmb-dataflow@xxxxxxxx<mailto:ncep.list.pmb-dataflow@xxxxxxxx>; Corey Guastini - NOAA Affiliate Subject: Re: Grids missing from the RAP 130 grid hi Victor- In the document https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-k5tKCQjS7a55Y1IUHuQSpLXXbIcvb1LZtEjdKmePsY/edit please note section 5. Helicity had been identified as a surface field which really isn't right, so it was changed with this upgrade. The new headers should be easy to find. -Geoff p.s. I shared the document with you. On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Gensini, Vittorio <gensiniv@xxxxxxx<mailto:gensiniv@xxxxxxx>> wrote: Hi Geoff/Curtis/Carissa, Beginning with today's 1200 UTC update for the RAP 130 grid, I no longer see HLCY 0-1000 m and HLCY 0-3000m being transmitted over the SBN NOAAport feed. I saw no changes with the HRRR grib2 files, but it was my impression from the para feeds that the 0-1 and 0-3 SRH fields would still be a part of the RAP post-processed fields from NCEP. As you know, they are important variables for calculation and use in convective forecasting, and I hope they return soon! Best, __ Dr. Vittorio (Victor) A. Gensini Associate Professor Meteorology College of DuPage President, Chicago Chapter of the American Meteorological Society 425 Fawell Blvd. Glen Ellyn, IL 60137 Office: Berg Instructional Center (BIC) 3503 ph: +1 (630) 942-3496<tel:%2B1%20%28630%29%20942-3496> http://weather.cod.edu/~vgensini
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