RE: navigation information in GRIB2 datasets on THREDDS server

• To: "'John Caron'" <caron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
• Subject: RE: navigation information in GRIB2 datasets on THREDDS server
• From: "David Wojtowicz" <davidw@xxxxxxxx>
• Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 14:39:35 -0500

I see, however I have a significantly large pre-existing code base that uses
the GRIB navigation parameters for everything.  

This code originally read GRIB1 files directly.  I had previously adapted it
to read data from the THREDDS server that used the NUWG conventions, and it
was relatively straightforward as the GRIB1 nav params were passed through
fairly directly in the various attributes.  

Now however, I'm stuck in modifying it to deal with the GRIB2 based datasets
in THREDDS.  I'm not familiar enough with the navigation systems to make the
translations that would be necessary.  

Would it be possible to pass the GRIB2 navigation params through as
ancillary information in the new convention? Or even just copy the nav block
(GRIB2 section 3) octets as an integer array into the dataset?  (or at least
point me to the place where the params are converted from GRIB to FGDC so I
could attempt to reverse the translation)  Redoing the code I have to use
FGDC navigation would be a huge undertaking.


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David Wojtowicz, Sr. Research Programmer, Sysadmin
Dept of Atmospheric Sciences / Computer Services
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
davidw@xxxxxxxx  (217) 333-8390

-----Original Message-----
From: John Caron [mailto:caron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:34 PM
To: David Wojtowicz
Cc: thredds@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'support-thredds'
Subject: Re: navigation information in GRIB2 datasets on THREDDS server

The projection parameters under the Lambert_Conformal variable follow the CF
conventions, and are in fact sufficient for georeferencing. These use the
FGDC projection parameter name and meanings; we consider them more
understandable than the GRIB values, but it sounds like you are more
familiar with the GRIB values.

David Wojtowicz wrote:
> 
>         *Hi,*
> 
> 
>         *I'm having some trouble figuring out how to get all the
>         necessary projection information out of the GRIB2 datasets on
>         the motherlode THREDDS server.*
> 
> 
>         *I need to know the values of most of the items from the GRIB2
>         Grid Definition Section (section 3).  For Lambert Conformal, the
>         following values should be available.  (See Table 1 below)*
> 
> 
>         *However, I only see the navigation information on the THREDDS
>         server in the fragment from a ncdump of the dataset (in this
>         case NAM, 12KM) that is shown in table 2 below.*
> 
> 
>         *Specifically, I need:*
> 
> 
>         *Nx*,Ny  (obvious from the grid)
> 
> 
>         *La1, Lo1 *
> 
> 
>         *ResCompFlag*
> 
> 
>         *Lov*
> 
> 
>         *Dx, Dy *
> 
> 
>         *Latin1, Latin2*
> 
> 
>         *Projection* Center Flag
> 
> 
>         *Scanning Mode*
> 
> 
>         *It's not clear how the values given in Table 2 (from the
>         THREDDS server) map to the values specified in the original
>         GRIB2 file as they have different names, and there doesn't
>         appear to be enough values to specify all of this.  And even
>         where I can guess that the one value maps to the other, I'm not
>         sure if the units are compatible.*
> 
> 
>         *Any guidance would be appreciated.  It is possible that the
>         values from the Grid Definition Section could simply be
>         represented as an integer array in THREDDS?*
> 
> 
>         *Thanks.*
> 
> 
>         *Table 1:*
> 
> 
>         *Grid Definition Template 3.30: Lambert conformal*
> 
> Octet Number(s)
> 
>       
> 
> Contents
> 
> 15
> 
>       
> 
> Shape of the earth (see Code Table 3.2) 
> <http://www.weather.gov/mdl/iwt/grib2/doc.htm#code3.2>
> 
> 16
> 
>       
> 
> Scale factor of radius of spherical earth
> 
> 17-20
> 
>       
> 
> Scaled value of radius of spherical earth
> 
> 21
> 
>       
> 
> Scale factor of major axis of oblate spheroid earth
> 
> 22-25
> 
>       
> 
> Scaled value of major axis of oblate spheroid earth
> 
> 26
> 
>       
> 
> Scale factor of minor axis of oblate spheroid earth
> 
> 27-30
> 
>       
> 
> Scaled value of minor axis of oblate spheroid earth
> 
> 31-34
> 
>       
> 
> Nx - number of points along the X-axis
> 
> 35-38
> 
>       
> 
> Ny - number of points along the Y-axis
> 
> 39-42
> 
>       
> 
> La1 - latitude of first grid point
> 
> 43-46
> 
>       
> 
> Lo1 - longitude of first grid point
> 
> 47
> 
>       
> 
> Resolution and component flags (See Flag Table 3.3) 
> <http://www.weather.gov/mdl/iwt/grib2/doc.htm#code3.3>
> 
> 48-51
> 
>       
> 
> LaD - Latitude where Dx and Dy are specified
> 
> 52-55
> 
>       
> 
> LoV - Longitude of meridian parallel to Y-axis along which latitude 
> increases as the Y- coordinate increases
> 
> 56-59
> 
>       
> 
> Dx - X-direction grid length (see note (1))
> 
> 60-63
> 
>       
> 
> Dy - Y-direction grid length (see note (1))
> 
> 64
> 
>       
> 
> Projection centre flag (see Flag Table 3.5) 
> <http://www.weather.gov/mdl/iwt/grib2/doc.htm#code3.5>
> 
> 65
> 
>       
> 
> Scanning mode (see Flag Table 3.4) 
> <http://www.weather.gov/mdl/iwt/grib2/doc.htm#code3.4>
> 
> 66-69
> 
>       
> 
> Latin 1 - first latitude from the pole at which the secant cone cuts the 
> sphere
> 
> 70-73
> 
>       
> 
> Latin 2 - second latitude from the pole at which the secant cone cuts 
> the sphere
> 
> 74-77
> 
>       
> 
> Latitude of the southern pole of projection
> 
> 78-81
> 
>       
> 
> Longitude of the southern pole of projection
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Table 2:
> 
>            
> 
> char Lambert_Conformal ;
> 
>                         Lambert_Conformal:grid_mapping_name = 
> "lambert_conformal_conic" ;
> 
>                         Lambert_Conformal:standard_parallel = 25. ;
> 
>                         Lambert_Conformal:longitude_of_central_meridian 
> = 265. ;
> 
>                         Lambert_Conformal:latitude_of_projection_origin 
> = 25. ;
> 
>                         Lambert_Conformal:GRIB_earth_shape = "Earth 
> spherical with radius of 6371229.0 m" ;
> 
>                         Lambert_Conformal:GRIB_earth_shape_code = 6 ;
> 
>                         Lambert_Conformal:DODS:strlen = 0 ;
> 
>             double y(y) ;
> 
>                         y:units = "km" ;
> 
>                         y:long_name = "y coordinate of projection" ;
> 
>                         y:standard_name = "projection_y_coordinate" ;
> 
>                         y:grid_spacing = "12.191001 km" ;
> 
>                         y:_CoordinateAxisType = "GeoY" ;
> 
>             double x(x) ;
> 
>                         x:units = "km" ;
> 
>                         x:long_name = "x coordinate of projection" ;
> 
>                         x:standard_name = "projection_x_coordinate" ;
> 
>                         x:grid_spacing = "12.191001 km" ;
> 
>                         x:_CoordinateAxisType = "GeoX" ;
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -----
> David Wojtowicz, Sr. Research Programmer, Sysadmin
> Dept of Atmospheric Sciences / Computer Services
> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
> davidw@xxxxxxxx <mailto:davidw@xxxxxxxx>  (217) 333-8390
> 
>  
> 

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