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Thanks to Daryl Herzmann and Ryan Hickman for figuring this out! As for the reason for change, I'll just shrug at that one... Then again, I'm still confused as to why RUC2 isn't RAP and why several other feed entries make zero sense (e.g., MRMS). Meh. -- Dr. Vittorio (Victor) A. Gensini Associate Professor Meteorology College of DuPage 425 Fawell Blvd. Glen Ellyn, IL 60137 Office: Berg Instructional Center 3503 ph: +1 (630) 942-3496 http://weather.cod.edu/~vgensini On Aug 25, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Ryan Hickman <ryan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ryan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: 20160825T225946.888925Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5() 56508 20160825225944.465083 NGRID 20526853 LUDZ86 KWBG 252200 !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F017/UREL/30-0 hPa PDLY 20160825T225946.928740Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5() 48876 20160825225944.470465 NGRID 20526854 LRDZ86 KWBG 252200 !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F017/RELH/180-150 hPa PDLY 20160825T225946.929497Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5() 35365 20160825225945.271612 NGRID 20526864 LVDZ12 KWBG 252200 !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F015/VREL/125 hPa PRES 20160825T225949.698165Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5() 29946 20160825225949.697962 HDS 81317554 LZDZ86 KWBG 252200 !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F019/HLCY/3000-0 m HGHT 20160825T225950.137091Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5() 44438 20160825225950.136893 HDS 81317765 LYDZ86 KWBG 252200 !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F019/CIN/255-0 hPa PDLY 20160825T225950.147939Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5() 54336 20160825225950.147736 HDS 81317779 LWDZ86 KWBG 252200 !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F019/CAPE/255-0 hPa PDLY 20160825T225950.332050Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5() 63261 20160825225950.331796 HDS 81317780 LZDZ86 KWBG 252200 !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F019/HLCY/1000-0 m HGHT 20160825T225959.727083Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5() 45128 20160825225959.726862 NGRID 20527040 LHDZ45 KWBG 252200 !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F016/HGHT/450 hPa PRES 20160825T230004.601507Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5() 56860 20160825230004.601274 NGRID 20527137 LHDN93 KWBG 252200 !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F018/HGHT/975 hPa PRES 20160825T230004.787309Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5() 63141 20160825230004.787128 HDS 81318525 LZDZ86 KWBG 252200 !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F020/HLCY/1000-0 m HGHT 20160825T230005.009994Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5() 46513 20160825230005.009756 HDS 81318612 LYDZ86 KWBG 252200 !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F020/CIN/255-0 hPa PDLY 20160825T230005.015628Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5() 29528 20160825230005.015419 HDS 81318618 LZDZ86 KWBG 252200 !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F020/HLCY/3000-0 m HGHT 20160825T230005.031800Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5() 55522 20160825230005.031612 HDS 81318640 LWDZ86 KWBG 252200 !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F020/CAPE/255-0 hPa PDLY 20160825T230005.081077Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5() 44954 20160825230005.080847 NGRID 20527165 LHDN99 KWBG 252200 !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F018/HGHT/1000 hPa PRES If you run `notifyme` without the -f flag, I think you'll find what you're looking for. It appears they're now sending those products out via HDS instead of NGRID which causes all of our request/pqact entries to fail only on those products. On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Gensini, Vittorio <gensiniv@xxxxxxx<mailto:gensiniv@xxxxxxx>> wrote: Hi all, Please see this e-mail chain below. Basically, there are grids now missing from the RAP130 NGRID NOAAport feed (post Tuesday's switch). They are the same grids missing that were changed in the TIN message. Hopefully there is someone on this list that can solve the problem. Best, vg __________________________ Vittorio (Victor) A. Gensini, Ph.D. Associate Professor, Meteorology College of DuPage e: gensiniv@xxxxxxx<mailto:gensiniv@xxxxxxx> | p: (630)-942-3496<tel:%28630%29-942-3496> http://weather.cod.edu/~vgensini From: Carissa Klemmer - NOAA Federal <carissa.l.klemmer@xxxxxxxx<mailto:carissa.l.klemmer@xxxxxxxx>> Date: Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:41 PM To: Victor Gensini <gensiniv@xxxxxxx<mailto:gensiniv@xxxxxxx>> Cc: Geoffrey Manikin - NOAA Federal <geoffrey.manikin@xxxxxxxx<mailto:geoffrey.manikin@xxxxxxxx>>, "curtis.alexander@xxxxxxxx<mailto:curtis.alexander@xxxxxxxx>" <curtis.alexander@xxxxxxxx<mailto:curtis.alexander@xxxxxxxx>>, Corey Guastini - NOAA Affiliate <corey.guastini@xxxxxxxx<mailto:corey.guastini@xxxxxxxx>>, "ncep.list.pmb-dataflow@xxxxxxxx<mailto:ncep.list.pmb-dataflow@xxxxxxxx>" <ncep.list.pmb-dataflow@xxxxxxxx<mailto:ncep.list.pmb-dataflow@xxxxxxxx>> Subject: Re: Grids missing from the RAP 130 grid Sorry I didn't email yesterday. I called the NCF and asked their tech team to check the logs and ensure these new WMO headers were being up linked to noaaport. I got confirmation that they see the 86 headers and were sent to noaaport. I'm a little stuck now. At this point I would probably suggest going to unidata ldm forum and ask if anyone else is seeing them. Get some smart ldm people involved. Do you have a POC for them? Carissa Touched, not typed On Aug 25, 2016, at 14:08, Gensini, Vittorio <gensiniv@xxxxxxx<mailto:gensiniv@xxxxxxx>> wrote: Hi Geoff, Any update on the cause of this? Best, __ Dr. Vittorio (Victor) A. Gensini Associate Professor Meteorology College of DuPage President, Chicago Chapter of the American Meteorological Society 425 Fawell Blvd. Glen Ellyn, IL 60137 Office: Berg Instructional Center (BIC) 3503 ph: +1 (630) 942-3496<tel:%2B1%20%28630%29%20942-3496> http://weather.cod.edu/~vgensini ________________________________ From: Geoffrey Manikin - NOAA Federal <geoffrey.manikin@xxxxxxxx<mailto:geoffrey.manikin@xxxxxxxx>> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 3:41 PM To: Gensini, Vittorio Cc: curtis.alexander@xxxxxxxx<mailto:curtis.alexander@xxxxxxxx>; carissa.l.klemmer@xxxxxxxx<mailto:carissa.l.klemmer@xxxxxxxx>; Corey Guastini - NOAA Affiliate Subject: Re: Grids missing from the RAP 130 grid Carissa- The 4 files missing in the 13 km RAP AWIPS files are the 4 that we mentioned in the RAP13 AWIPS TIN for which the headers were changing. We're correctly processing all of them, so does this mean that some group downstream was not prepared for this change?? -Geoff On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Gensini, Vittorio <gensiniv@xxxxxxx<mailto:gensiniv@xxxxxxx>> wrote: Hi Geoff, Found them, I was wrong about CIN. All four are the changes mentioned in the TIN message. I ran a quick DIF checker and found removal of: CIN255-0 mb above ground CAPE255-0 mb above ground HLCY1000-0 m above ground HLCY3000-0 m above ground Probably the ones you were expecting. Let us know if/when they are added back to the NOAAport stream. Best, __ Dr. Vittorio (Victor) A. Gensini Associate Professor Meteorology College of DuPage President, Chicago Chapter of the American Meteorological Society 425 Fawell Blvd. Glen Ellyn, IL 60137 Office: Berg Instructional Center (BIC) 3503 ph: +1 (630) 942-3496<tel:%2B1%20%28630%29%20942-3496> http://weather.cod.edu/~vgensini ________________________________ From: Geoffrey Manikin - NOAA Federal <geoffrey.manikin@xxxxxxxx<mailto:geoffrey.manikin@xxxxxxxx>> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 3:12 PM To: Gensini, Vittorio Subject: Re: Grids missing from the RAP 130 grid Victor- Knowing the exact dropouts would probably be a good thing. Thanks for offering. -Geoff On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Gensini, Vittorio <gensiniv@xxxxxxx<mailto:gensiniv@xxxxxxx>> wrote: Thanks for your speedy response Geoff! I can confirm that the changed entries in your document: "The headers for helicity are changed from ‘LZD*98 KWBG’ to ‘LZD*86 KWBG’ The headers for 0255 mb cape is changed from ‘LWD*98 KWBG’ to ‘LZD*86 KWBG’" Are not coming in after using LDM 'notifyme.' Strangely, 0-255mb CIN is working just fine. I can compare pre and post upgrade to get you the exact dropouts if needed. Best, __ Dr. Vittorio (Victor) A. Gensini Associate Professor Meteorology College of DuPage President, Chicago Chapter of the American Meteorological Society 425 Fawell Blvd. Glen Ellyn, IL 60137 Office: Berg Instructional Center (BIC) 3503 ph: +1 (630) 942-3496<tel:%2B1%20%28630%29%20942-3496> http://weather.cod.edu/~vgensini ________________________________ From: Geoffrey Manikin - NOAA Federal <geoffrey.manikin@xxxxxxxx<mailto:geoffrey.manikin@xxxxxxxx>> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 3:01 PM To: Gensini, Vittorio Cc: curtis.alexander@xxxxxxxx<mailto:curtis.alexander@xxxxxxxx>; ncep.list.pmb-dataflow@xxxxxxxx<mailto:ncep.list.pmb-dataflow@xxxxxxxx>; Corey Guastini - NOAA Affiliate Subject: Re: Grids missing from the RAP 130 grid hi Victor- The issues must be downstream of us, as the RAP 130 grids that we're sending to NOAAPORT have 292 records now, and the cycles before the upgrade had 292 as well. Per that document, we changed the headers for 4 parameters, so it sounds like those 4 are falling on the floor somewhere down the line. I can't yet account for the other two. -Geoff On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Gensini, Vittorio <gensiniv@xxxxxxx<mailto:gensiniv@xxxxxxx>> wrote: Hi Geoff, We were matching the grids with anything from (L.D...), as you say in your document here: http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/changes/docs/AWIPS_RAPv3_130.pdf We have also used: NGRID grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/(..)(..)(....)(....)F(...) FILE /home/data/models/rap/\2\3\4F\5.rap To match *anything* from the RAP NGRID feed. Running wgrib2 on the files since 12Z today shows that there were 292 grids before the upgrade and 286 after (we eliminate the aviation flight level products). I haven't sorted through exactly which have been dropped, but at least two of them are 0-1 and 0-3 SRH. Best, __ Dr. Vittorio (Victor) A. Gensini Associate Professor Meteorology College of DuPage President, Chicago Chapter of the American Meteorological Society 425 Fawell Blvd. Glen Ellyn, IL 60137 Office: Berg Instructional Center (BIC) 3503 ph: +1 (630) 942-3496<tel:%2B1%20%28630%29%20942-3496> http://weather.cod.edu/~vgensini ________________________________ From: Geoffrey Manikin - NOAA Federal <geoffrey.manikin@xxxxxxxx<mailto:geoffrey.manikin@xxxxxxxx>> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 2:25 PM To: Gensini, Vittorio Cc: curtis.alexander@xxxxxxxx<mailto:curtis.alexander@xxxxxxxx>; ncep.list.pmb-dataflow@xxxxxxxx<mailto:ncep.list.pmb-dataflow@xxxxxxxx>; Corey Guastini - NOAA Affiliate Subject: Re: Grids missing from the RAP 130 grid hi Victor- In the document https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-k5tKCQjS7a55Y1IUHuQSpLXXbIcvb1LZtEjdKmePsY/edit please note section 5. Helicity had been identified as a surface field which really isn't right, so it was changed with this upgrade. The new headers should be easy to find. -Geoff p.s. I shared the document with you. On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Gensini, Vittorio <gensiniv@xxxxxxx<mailto:gensiniv@xxxxxxx>> wrote: Hi Geoff/Curtis/Carissa, Beginning with today's 1200 UTC update for the RAP 130 grid, I no longer see HLCY 0-1000 m and HLCY 0-3000m being transmitted over the SBN NOAAport feed. I saw no changes with the HRRR grib2 files, but it was my impression from the para feeds that the 0-1 and 0-3 SRH fields would still be a part of the RAP post-processed fields from NCEP. As you know, they are important variables for calculation and use in convective forecasting, and I hope they return soon! Best, __ Dr. Vittorio (Victor) A. Gensini Associate Professor Meteorology College of DuPage President, Chicago Chapter of the American Meteorological Society 425 Fawell Blvd. Glen Ellyn, IL 60137 Office: Berg Instructional Center (BIC) 3503 ph: +1 (630) 942-3496<tel:%2B1%20%28630%29%20942-3496> http://weather.cod.edu/~vgensini _______________________________________________ NOTE: All exchanges posted to Unidata maintained email lists are recorded in the Unidata inquiry tracking system and made publicly available through the web. Users who post to any of the lists we maintain are reminded to remove any personal information that they do not want to be made public. ldm-users mailing list ldm-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ldm-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> For list information or to unsubscribe, visit: http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/mailing_lists/
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