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Re: [thredds] [THREDDS #TLF-694901]: NCSS and Aggregated Catalogs under v4.3.14

Support:

I did a fresh unpacking of thredds for these tests (cleared out all
existing configs/mods). Just copied our existing catalog as a test and
enabled ncss in threddsConfig.xml.

  <NetcdfSubsetService>
    <allow>true</allow>
    <scour>10 min</scour>
    <maxAge>-1 min</maxAge>
  </NetcdfSubsetService>


> Is there also problems with Grid As point requests in text formats (csv, xml) 
> or it only happens in grid requests?

Yes. These also do not work (see attachment). Happens with both grid
and point data requests to our existing aggregated catalogs.


> And have you tried to enable the netcdf4 writing in TDS and see if the 
> problem persists requesting netcdf4 files?

Don't know how to enable this feature you are talking about. Do you
mean use the latest NetCDF4 libraries with our system?

################
Request:
http://hycom-ncss1.coaps.fsu.edu/thredds/ncss/grid/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/2013?var=ssh&latitude=28&longitude=-90&time_start=2013-01-01T00%3A00%3A00Z&time_end=2013-03-16T00%3A00%3A00Z&accept=xml

Logs:
2013-02-18T15:38:09.738 -0500 [   5066320][      67] INFO  - threddsServlet - 
Remote host: 146.201.212.154 - Request: "GET 
/thredds/ncss/grid/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/2013?var=ssh&latitude=28&longitude=-90&time_start=2013-01-01T00%3A00%3A00Z&time_end=2013-03-16T00%3A00%3A00Z&accept=xml
 HTTP/1.1"
2013-02-18T15:38:09.758 -0500 [   5066340][      67] INFO  - threddsServlet - 
Request Completed - 400 - -1 - 19


Error:
NetCDF Subset Service exception handled : Error creating DateUnits for station


################
Request:
http://hycom-ncss1.coaps.fsu.edu/thredds/ncss/grid/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/2013?var=ssh&latitude=28&longitude=-90&time_start=2013-01-01T00%3A00%3A00Z&time_end=2013-03-16T00%3A00%3A00Z&accept=csv

Logs:
2013-02-18T15:39:24.953 -0500 [   5141535][      69] INFO  - threddsServlet - 
Remote host: 146.201.212.154 - Request: "GET 
/thredds/ncss/grid/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/2013?var=ssh&latitude=28&longitude=-90&time_start=2013-01-01T00%3A00%3A00Z&time_end=2013-03-16T00%3A00%3A00Z&accept=csv
 HTTP/1.1"
2013-02-18T15:39:24.971 -0500 [   5141553][      69] INFO  - threddsServlet - 
Request Completed - 400 - -1 - 18

Error:
NetCDF Subset Service exception handled : Error creating DateUnits for station


################
Request:
http://hycom-ncss1.coaps.fsu.edu/thredds/ncss/grid/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/2013?var=ssh&latitude=28&longitude=-90&time_start=2013-01-01T00%3A00%3A00Z&time_end=2013-03-16T00%3A00%3A00Z&accept=netcdf

Logs:
2013-02-18T15:39:53.299 -0500 [   5169881][      70] INFO  - threddsServlet - 
Remote host: 146.201.212.154 - Request: "GET 
/thredds/ncss/grid/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/2013?var=ssh&latitude=28&longitude=-90&time_start=2013-01-01T00%3A00%3A00Z&time_end=2013-03-16T00%3A00%3A00Z&accept=netcdf
 HTTP/1.1"
2013-02-18T15:39:53.329 -0500 [   5169911][      70] INFO  - threddsServlet - 
Request Completed - 400 - -1 - 30

Error:
Error 6 (net::ERR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The file or directory could not be found.


################
Request:
http://hycom-ncss1.coaps.fsu.edu/thredds/ncss/grid/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/2013?var=ssh&north=31.9606&west=-98.0000&east=-76.4000&south=18.0916&horizStride=1&time=2013-03-16T00%3A00%3A00Z

Logs:
2013-02-18T15:42:36.423 -0500 [   5333005][      73] INFO  - threddsServlet - 
Remote host: 146.201.212.154 - Request: "GET 
/thredds/ncss/grid/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/2013?var=ssh&north=31.9606&west=-98.0000&east=-76.4000&south=18.0916&horizStride=1&time=2013-03-16T00%3A00%3A00Z
 HTTP/1.1"

Error:
Status 500 - Internal Server Error

Attachment: NetCDFSubsetService_PointData.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document

[mcdonald@hycom-ncss1 agg]$ pwd
/usr/share/tomcat6/content/thredds/cache/agg
[mcdonald@hycom-ncss1 agg]$ cat GOMl0.04-expt_31.0-2013 
<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?>
<aggregation xmlns='http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/namespaces/netcdf/ncml-2.2' 
version='3' type='joinExistingOne' dimName='MT' recheckEvery='6 hour' >
  <netcdf 
id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_001_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-01T00:00:00Z </cache>
  </netcdf>
  <netcdf 
id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_002_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-02T00:00:00Z </cache>
  </netcdf>
  <netcdf 
id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_003_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-03T00:00:00Z </cache>
  </netcdf>
  <netcdf 
id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_004_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-04T00:00:00Z </cache>
  </netcdf>
  <netcdf 
id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_005_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-05T00:00:00Z </cache>
  </netcdf>
  <netcdf 
id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_006_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-06T00:00:00Z </cache>
  </netcdf>
  <netcdf 
id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_007_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-07T00:00:00Z </cache>
  </netcdf>
  <netcdf 
id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_008_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-08T00:00:00Z </cache>
  </netcdf>
  <netcdf 
id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_009_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-09T00:00:00Z </cache>
  </netcdf>
  <netcdf 
id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_010_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-10T00:00:00Z </cache>
  </netcdf>
  <netcdf 
id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_011_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-11T00:00:00Z </cache>
  </netcdf>
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id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_012_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-12T00:00:00Z </cache>
  </netcdf>
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id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_013_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-13T00:00:00Z </cache>
  </netcdf>
  <netcdf 
id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_014_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-14T00:00:00Z </cache>
  </netcdf>
  <netcdf 
id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_015_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-15T00:00:00Z </cache>
  </netcdf>
  <netcdf 
id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_016_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-16T00:00:00Z </cache>
  </netcdf>
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id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_017_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-17T00:00:00Z </cache>
  </netcdf>
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id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_018_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-18T00:00:00Z </cache>
  </netcdf>
  <netcdf 
id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_019_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-19T00:00:00Z </cache>
  </netcdf>
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id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_020_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-20T00:00:00Z </cache>
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id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_021_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-21T00:00:00Z </cache>
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id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_022_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-22T00:00:00Z </cache>
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id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_023_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-23T00:00:00Z </cache>
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id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_024_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-24T00:00:00Z </cache>
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id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_025_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
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id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_026_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-26T00:00:00Z </cache>
  </netcdf>
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id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_027_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-27T00:00:00Z </cache>
  </netcdf>
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id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_028_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-28T00:00:00Z </cache>
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id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_029_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-29T00:00:00Z </cache>
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id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_030_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-30T00:00:00Z </cache>
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id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_031_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
    <cache varName='MT' >2013-01-31T00:00:00Z </cache>
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id='/hycom/gfs8/hycom/GOMl0.04/expt_31.0/data/archv.2013_032_00_3z.nc' 
ncoords='1' >
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ncoords='1' >
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ncoords='1' >
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